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nfl football QB rating

Page history last edited by Bill McEachen 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Jan 23 2019 updates; congrats to NE & TBrady for yet another Superbowl appearance, and on Brady on his team's win

Dec 2 2018 genl updates

Jan 21 2018 updates; congrats to NE & TBrady for yet another Superbowl appearance

Jan 7 2018 updates 

11/26/2017 updates

10/1/2017 update  a few numbers, Romo retired near as I know

Feb 7 2017 congrats to Brady&Ryan on reaching the superbowl (re-scale overall divisor to reflect Brady increased rating)

Note between Brady,Bradshaw,Montana &Aikman we have nearly a 3rd of all Superbowl wins (16 of 51)

Dec 18 2016 general update. My current HOF letter includes Warner

Mar 4 2016 congrats to Favre on HOF

Feb 9 PManning reached rating 0.87 by winning the SB, moving him into 2nd (passing Montana)

Nov 27 updates

Sep 30 2015 genl updates, add Milestones page for '15/'16 Milestones 2015-2016

Jan 18 2015 update Brady interim for SBA 

Dec 1 updates

Oct 20  update to PManning

Oct  14 new reverse rating page !  QB Unrating

Oct 13  some updates

Aug 24 pre-season minor updates (2014 not til after game 6)

Jan 19  update Manning stat & a few others

Dec 15 2013 

Sep 7 2013  add Peyton (7) TDs

Aug 17 2013  add Milestones page for '13/'14 Milestones 2013-2014

Nov 10 2012 gen'l update (partial)

Jan 22 update Brady,EManning...I will add a Montana/Brady comparison to Brady's page in about 6 more games started by Brady in 2013

Nov 7,Oct 25 updates

Oct 17 2011 updates for Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger game 6

Sep 11 add Rodgers,Brees, Rivers,Brady  game 1

Apr 7 2011 add info received re: QBs influence on game W-L (see end)...thanks to Neil at PFR

Oct 4 add "best" years via http://www.pro-football-reference.com/

 

Alternate Rating

This rating could be termed a "HOF" rating for Hall of Fame.  It was developed without bias before treating stats.  It can be used w/o SB portion

It addresses some of the criticisms/flaws of the existing passer rating.  We use games started

It hopes to reward the areas of winning, offensive production, efficiency while penalizing mistakes, and being an "impact" player.

The factors considered are:

%completion PC

SuperBowl appearances SBA

SuperBowl wins SBW

Touchdown-to-Interception margin TI

Yardage per game (all)YG

Touchdowns per game (all)TG

The actual rating formula is (please credit Bill R McEachen):

 

[0.20*TG+0.20*TI/100+0.20*PC+0.20*YG/100+0.15*SBW+0.05*SBA]/3.0                    (note: re-scale as needed to enforce 0-1)
 

The top 12 or so performers by this rating in rating order are:

Brady*, PManning*, Montana, Brees*, Rodgers*, Roethlisberger*,Bradshaw, Favre/Elway,EManning*, Warner, Wilson* (asterisk denotes active).  2.5 divisor moved to  3.0  to re-scale as designed 

 

(1) Brady*     1.036 = (0.20*(517+19)/267+0.20*(517-171)/100+0.20*0.640+0.20*(70514+1003)/267/100+0.15*6+0.05*9) / 3   (267 games )

 

(2) PManning     0.725 = (0.20*(539+18)/265+0.20*(539-251)/100+0.20*0.653+0.20*(71940+667)/265/100+0.15*2+0.05*4) / 3      (265 games)

(3)(HOF) Montana   0.689 = (0.20*(273+20)/164+0.20*(273-139)/100+0.20*0.632+0.20*(40551+1676)/164/100+0.15*4+0.05*4) / 3

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(T4) Drew Brees*    0.645= (0.20*(544+23)/273+0.20*(544-237)/100+0.20*0.676+0.20*(77163+755)/273/100+0.15*1+0.05*1) / 3    (compare to Brady)   (273 games )

(T4) Rodgers*  0.622 = (0.20*(319+25)/145+0.20*(319-79)/100+0.20*0.652+0.20*(39334+2706)/145/100+0.15*1+0.05*1) / 3    (compare to Montana, Bradshaw)) (145 game )

(6) Roethlisberger* 0.597= (0.20*(333+19)/214+0.20*(363-190)/100+0.20*0.644+0.20*(56194+1350)/214/100+0.15*2+0.05*3) / 3    (214 games )

 

(7)(HOF) Bradshaw 0.534 = (0.20*(212+32)/158+0.20*(212-210)/100+0.20*0.519+0.20*(27989+2257)/158/100+0.15*4+0.05*4) / 3

(T8)(HOF) Favre          0.525  = (0.20*(507+14)/296+0.20*(507-335)/100+0.20*0.620+0.20*(71603+1835)/296/100+0.15*1+0.05*2) / 3  (compare to PManning)

(T8)(HOF) Elway        0.525 = (0.20*(300+33)/231+0.20*(300-226)/100+0.20*0.569+0.20*(51475+3407)/231/100+0.15*2+0.05*5) / 3

(T8) EManning*   0.522  =  (0.20*(352+6)/224+0.20*(352-234)/100+0.20*0.602+0.20*(54478+558)/224/100+0.15*2+0.05*2) / 3  (as of 2018 wk 11 )(compare to Roethlisberger, Elway)

(T11) RWilson*   0.509= (0.20*(184+16)/106+0.20*(184-61)/100+0.20*0.642+0.20*(24368 +3502)/106/100+0.15*1+0.05*2) / 3     (as of wk 11 2018 )

(T11)(HOF) Warner 0.506 =(0.20*(208+3)/116+0.20*(208-128)/100+0.20*0.655+0.20*(32344+286)/116/100+0.15*1+0.05*3) / 3 (compare to Staubach)

 

- - - - - - bound for rating >=0.500   - - - - - - - -

 

(12)(HOF) Young      0.495 =(0.20*(232+43)/143+0.20*(232-107)/100+0.20*0.643+0.20*(33124+4239)/143/100+0.15*1+0.05*1) / 3

 

(14)(HOF) Staubach  0.497 =(0.20*(153+20)/114+0.20*(153-109)/100+0.20*0.570+0.20*(22700+2264)/114/100+0.15*2+0.05*4) / 3

Rivers*      0.471 = (0.20*(365+3)/202+0.20*(365-172)/100+0.20*0.644+0.20*(53208+569)/202/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) / 3  (as of 2018 wk 11 )  compare to EManning

(T15)(HOF) Aikman   0.464 =(0.20*(165+9)/165+0.20*(165-141)/100+0.20*0.615+0.20*(32942+1016)/165/100+0.15*3+0.05*3) / 3   (compare to Staubach )

(T15) MRyan*   0.461 = (0.20*(284+7)/169+0.20*(284-131)/100+0.20*0.654+0.20*(45479+1120)/169/100+0.15*0+0.05*1) / 3  (as of 2018 wk 11 )    compare to Aikman

(T15)(HOF) Marino   0.458 = (0.20*(420+9)/240+0.20*(420-252)/100+0.20*0.594+0.20*(61361+87)/240/100+0.15*0+0.05*1) / 3

 

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Tony Romo    0.442= (0.20*(233+5)/120+0.20*(233-109)/100+0.20*0.650+0.20*(32488+580)/120/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) / 3 (as of 2014 wk15), compare to SYoung

McNabb         0.414=(0.20*(230+28)/155+0.20*(230-115)/100+0.20*0.589+0.20*(36250+3400)/155/100+0.15*0+0.05*1) / 3     compare to Aikman, Griese

Flacco*           0.412 = (0.20*(212+16)/163+0.20*(212-136)/100+0.20*0.617+0.20*(38245+811)/163/100+0.15*1+0.05*1) / 3  (compare to Aikman)     (thru 2018 wk 11)

CNewton*      0.408  = (0.20*(180+58)/119+0.20*(180-101)/100+0.20*0.596+0.20*(27773+4737)/119/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) / 3   ( thru 2018 wk 11)

(HOF)Griese        0.404 = (0.20*(192+7)/151+0.20*(192-172)/100+0.20*0.562+0.20*(25092+994)/151/100+0.15*2+0.05*3) / 3

(HOF)Kelly          0.402 =(0.20*(237+7)/160+0.20*(237-175)/100+0.20*0.601+0.20*(35467+1049)/160/100+0.15*0+0.05*4) / 3

 

this yields an ordered ranking of Brady*,Manning,Montana, Brees* ,Rodgers*, Roethlisberger*Every eligible player above is in the HOF (except McNabb)

A few "whatifs":   if Kelly had won 2SBs, rating would be 0.602, Marino 0.610 if he had won a SB.   Rodgers goes to >0.79 w/ another SB win.   Brees to >0.65 with a SB appearance

 

others for reference (rating order, re-scale pending ):

CPalmer        0.408 =  (0.20*(294+8)/182+0.20*(294-187)/100+0.20*0.625+0.20*(46247+474)/182/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) /2.9    (thru 2017 wk 7 injury) compare to Unitas

(HOF)Unitas      0.400 =(0.20*(290+13)/186+0.20*(290-253)/100+0.20*0.546+0.20*(40239+1777)/186/100+0.15*1+0.05*1) /2.9

(HOF)Tarkenton       0.397 =(0.20*(342+32)/239+0.20*(342-266)/100+0.20*0.570+0.20*(47003+3674)/239/100+0.15*0+0.05*3) /2.9

Cunningham         0.391 =(0.20*(207+35)/135+0.20*(207-134)/100+0.20*0.566+0.20*(29979+4928)/135/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) /2.9

Kaepernick     0.389=  (0.20*(31+9)/23+0.20*(31-11)/100+0.20*0.598+0.20*(5046+937)/23/100+0.05*2) /2.9  (ineligible)(thru '13)

Garcia             0.372 =(0.20*(161+26)/116+0.20*(161-83)/100+0.20*0.616+0.20*(25537+2140)/116/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) /2.9

(HOF)Moon    0.360=(0.20*(291+22)/203+0.20*(291-233)/100+0.20*0.584+0.20*(49325+1736)/203/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) /2.9

Vick             0.348 = (0.20*(122+34)/101+0.20*(122-81)/100+0.20*0.563+0.20*(20077+ 5526)/101/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) /2.9   (thru ??)

Danny White      0.347 = (0.20*(155+8)/92+0.20*(155-132)/100+0.20*0.597+0.20*(21959+482)/92/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) /2.9

Krieg                 0.347=(0.20*(261+13)/175+0.20*(261-199)/100+0.20*0.585+0.20*(38147+1261)/175/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) /2.9

Lamonica          0.347 = (0.20*(164+14)/88+0.20*(164-138)/100+0.20*0.495+0.20*(19154+640)/88/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) /2.9

Otto Graham      0.346  =  (0.20*(174+44)/114+0.20*(174-135)/100+0.20*0.558+0.20*(23584+882)/114/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) /2.9

(HOF) Fouts        0.332 =(0.20*(254+13)/171+0.20*(254-242)/100+0.20*0.588+0.20*(43040+476)/171/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) /2.9

Chad Pennington      0.323=(0.20*(102+7)/80+0.20*(102-64)/100+0.20*0.661+0.20*(17804+465)/80/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) /2.9

(HOF) Namath         0.316 =    (0.20*(173+7)/129+0.20*(173-220)/100+0.20*0.501+0.20*(27663+140)/129/100+0.15*1+0.05*1) /2.9

Anderson              0.311 = (0.20*(197+20)/172+0.20*(197-160)/100+0.20*0.593+0.20*(32838+2220)/172/100+0.15*0+0.05*1) /2.9  (2011 prelim HOF nominee)

Collins*?          0.291 = (0.20*(206+10)/177+0.20*(206-195)/100+0.20*0.558+0.20*(40829+687)/177/100+0.15*0+0.05*0) /2.9

 

Now, one can strip off the Superbowl portion to obtain a more conventional "pure" passer rating.  I list these here vs the normalized current rating, approx. scaled to match (as of Nov 1 2010),  max NFL rating is 158.3.  Listed in my rating order

Pure (proposed)  Current NFL    ( NFL Rank )     not updated since ~ 2016

Brady*  0.994    0.614       3      ( too low)

Manning   0.75    0.610      6   (low)

Rodgers* 0.643   0.658    1    very close, sort of a datum

Brees*  0.655  0.608        7  ( low)

 

Rivers*   0.531    0.598      8   (high)

Romo*   0.530    0.614     4  (way high)

Marino  0.530   0.546      about right

Favre  0.528    0.544         about right

Young   0.514   0.611        5 (way high)

Roethlisberger*   0.511   0.594      9   (high)

Montana  0.507    0.583     13    (high)

 

Warner  0.487   0.592     10  (way high)

RWilson*   0.452   0.629     2  (WAY high)

 

McNabb 0.476    0.543  

Cunningham  0.454   0.515   

Garcia,  0.432   0.553   

Moon,  0.418   0.511

Elway, 0.410     0.505

Kelly, 0.402        0.533    

Krieg, 0.402   0.515    

Tarkenton 0.401    **

Fouts, 0.385  0.507

Unitas 0.384   **

Staubach, 0.377    

Anderson 0.361     **

Bradshaw, 0.320    0.448

Aikmann,  0.317    0.515 

Griese 0.305    0.487

 

group these, we have

Brady*

Manning

Rodgers,Brees*

Marino,Favre

Young,Montana

Brady*,Warner

Newton*,McNabb*

Garcia,Cunningham,Moon

 

For a "best season" listing (see end),  for QBs that made Superbowls and rank highly.  This would include Manning,Brady,Favre,Elway,Tarkenton,Staubach,Bradshaw,Montana,Young,Warner,Unitas, and Kelly among others.  One can also easily do up "what if" scenarios like adding 5 more seasons of stats to Staubach for his missed years for Navy service (doubling his (TD-INT) gives him a 0.613 rating from 0.577)

 

There are infinite ways to formulate a rating. Depending on specific factor formating, one can skew results.

The rating including weights was developed prior to applying it to actual QB data.

The rationale behind the factors follows but certainly one needs to see the ratings reflect general consensus of the historical best.

This would include HOF quarterbacks, and certainly Steve Young and Joe Montana should likely be near the top.

QB.xls as of 2008

%completion

It seems appropo to reward some indicator of effectiveness. It speaks to ability to produce drives and 1st downs.

Superbowls

One is credited for making it to the Superbowl, credited additionally for winning

The reason is to reward results.

TD-INT

This factor as a difference, rewards the "net" result of scoring over error.

Longevity is implicitly rewarded, where it wouldn't be if formed as TD/INT for example.

Yard/game

One is rewarded for offensive production, without undue credit for longevity.

TD/game

One is rewarded for offensive points, without undue credit for longevity.

The link here is to a file circa Oct 2006 computing the rating for HOF quarterbacks as well as some other standouts.

The normalized, existing ratings are superimposed for comparison. In general, the new rating times 158.3 converts to the equivalent existing rating.

"Fixes"

The alternate rating has no artificial cap on individual factors.

It also incorporates a QB's running/scrambling skills.

It is normalized to "1" being perfect (or 100).

However, it still applies "arbitrary" (but reasonable) weights to the indiv factors.

The rating's max is not a fixed number as with the existing rating, though it has been developed so as to attempt to come as close as practical to never seeing a value above 1, which could require all ratings to be re-normalized.

Winning percentage itself is NOT a factor, as a team's performance goes beyond the QB. Of course, there will be some correlation of WP to QB rating that falls out.

Additionally, a great team may allow a QB to excel more than a talented QB lacking a solid supporting cast. This goes towards my separate discussion of how one might adjust base career rating for team success. Easy examples are Bradshaw throwing to his HOF receivers Swann and Stallworth, as well as having HOF members Jack Lambert, Mike Webster, Joe Greene, Mel Blount and Franco Harris.

Excluded factors

As explained, TOTALs in general have been avoided for most factors, as "putting in time" by itself gives larger counts.

HOF teammates for QBs:

Bradshaw - Jack Lambert,Mike Webster,Joe Greene,Mel Blount,Franco Harris,Swann,Stallworth

Montana/Young -(Rice), (HM Taylor)

Aikman -Irvin,(Emmitt Smith)

Brady -TBD

Staubach - Randy White, Dorsett, (HM Pearson)

Kelly - (HM Thurman Thomas)

Griese - Larry Czonka (HM Mercury Morris, Soloman)

Favre - Reggie White, Lofton (HM Jefferson)

PManning -MHarrison,tbd

Unitas - ??

Fouts -Joiner (HM Jefferson)

Tarkenton -Deacon Jones, Alan Page

Moon - ??

Jurgensen - ??

Marino -

Stabler - Howie Long, (HM Cliff Branch,Ray Guy)

Cunningham - ??

Some of basic tests for any rating include:

would a "hot" player of short duration shoot to an artificially high rating?

for example, if the rating used pure ratios (non-timed based) Y/G,T/G etc,

a QB that played for 2 years putting up stellar ratios would compare favorably against the grizzled veteran of 20 seasons with the same stats.

My personal opinion is to expect Young and Montana to come out rated at the top, and this does happen with this rating. Considering the numerics, Favre, PManning,Brady are both headed to the Hall of Fame (1st ballot). Cunningham rates better than some existing HOF members and should be elected, as should active players Brees, Rivers, Rodgers if they continue on track.  Cunningham is hurt by his lack of post season play

 

Elite Leaders (QB,career, as of ~12/29/2019, games typ.=games started)

2 w/ %completion>=66% Brees*, Pennington    ( 0.676, 0.660 )                   ( Warner , MRyan*, PManning, Romo, Rodgers*  respectively 0.655, 0.654, 0.653, 0.653, 0.648 )

4 w/ TD-INT differential >=275 Brady*,  Brees*, Manning, Rodgers*   (362 , 310, 298, 280 )  (to compare, WR Rice has 197 career TDs)  

3 w/ Rush TD>=40  CNewton*, Graham, Young (58, 44, 43)      (Vick has 36)  

4 w/ Total Points>3200 PManning,  Brees*, Brady*, Favre  (3402, 3318,  32163126 )    

3 w/ Rush yards>4500 Vick, Cunningham, CNewton* ( 6109 , 4928,  4806  )  (WATCH Newton 2020? )

4 w/ adj net yds/pass >7  PManning, Rodgers*, Brady*, Romo  (7.5, 7.38, 7.15, 7.02)  (via PFR calc)  (Rivers* 6.92  close )

4 w/ Total TD>500  Brees*, PManning, Brady* , Favre  (567, 557,  536, 528 )   

4 w/ TD/INT ratio >=2.2 Rodgers*, Brady*, Manning, Brees* (4.1, 3.02 , 2.3, 2.31)       ( Rivers* 2.14, Roethlisberger 1.91 )  MOVE to 3 ??

5 w/ games played (QB)>250 Favre, Brady*, Brees* , Morrall,,Manning (296, 267, 273, 255, 251  ) 

4 w/ TD per game of rec>=2.0  Rodgers*, Manning,  Brees*, Brady* (2.33 ,2.1, 2.08, 2.01)        [  Rivers* 1.7 ] 

5 w/ Yards per game>=260 Brees*, Manning, Rodgers*, Brady*,  Warner  (282+3, 272+3, 261+18, 262+4,  261+2  )    Rivers* ~255.4 + 3.0  very close    move to 275?

4 w/ Total Offense>70000 (regular season)   Brees*, Brady*, Manning, Favre ( 77918, 71517, 70662, 70195   )           Rivers*  48623

5 w/ (pass TD-INT) per game started >=1.1 Rodgers*, Brady* ,Young,   Brees*, PManning   (1.6, 1.28, 1.17, 1.12, 1.10)   

4 w/ pass completions >=6000 Brees*,  Favre,  Manning, Brady*   (6848, 6280,  6008, 6377 )    

4 w/ pass attempts >=9000  Favre,  Brees*,  Brady*, Manning  (10138, 10131, 9988, 9176   )   Brees within 7 of #1 

3 w/ points/game avg >=12 Rodgers*, Manning,  Brees*   (13.5, 12.6, 12.3,  )      WATCH   Brady* (11.9)

only 3 w/ 175+ game victories Brady*, Favre, Manning  (219, 185, 176  ) (compare to WR & RB TDs)    [ Brees  163  Roethlisberger*  at 144 , would need 3+ yrs likely to meet] 

3 w/ rating > 0.65  Brady*,Manning ,Montana  (0.986, 0.73, 0.69)         (Brees*  0.645 &  Rodgers* 0.622 need SB win )

W-L percentage (regular season)   >=75% Graham, Lamonica, Brady*, Staubach  (82.7, 80.5, 77.4, 75 )     ( RWilson* 67.0   Roethlisberger*  67.0  Rodgers* 65.3  ) 

most 4th quarter comebacks -I recommend seeing this link: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3392, it's NOT straightfwd

2 w/ >35 4Q comebacks  PManning, Marino, Brady*, Brees*   (42, 36, 35,35 )         (  Elway 35    Roethlisberger 31  )

3 w/ game-winning drives>=50  PManning, Marino, Brees* ( 52, 51, 50 )        (Elway 46, Favre 45,   Roethlisberger* 42  Brady*  44 )

3 with 15 or more winning seasons - Brady*, Favre, Manning  (18 , 15, 15 )     [  Roethlisberger*  at 13 after 2019 ,  Rodgers* 9   ]

3 w/ SuperBowl wins >3 - Brady*,  Bradshaw, Montana  (5, 4, 4)  

2 w/ SuperBowl appearances >=5 - Brady*, Elway (12 between these two ! )

4 w/ weighted AV>150 -PManning,  Brady* , Brees*, Favre       (see PFR, 177, 176, 166,156 )   (Tarkenton 149    Marino 145 Rivers* 145  Rodgers* 142 )

4 w/ std NFL rating>=97  - Rodgers*, RWilson*, Brees*, Romo, Brady*   (102.4, 101.2, 98.4, 97.0, 97.1  ]      [  PManning   96.5    Rivers* 95.1   Young 96.8  ]  (WATCH)

4 w/  23+ playoff games - Brady*, Manning, Favre, Montana  ( 41, 27, 24, 23).  (these 4 have 100+ combined )     [ Roethlisberger* 21 ]

 QBs w/ least rush yds YPG <3   Marino 0.36  Stabler  0.64  Namath 1.1  PManning 2.6        [  EManning* 2.4 ]  Brees* 2.7

 

A "superQB" legacy might include 140 game victories, 65% win pct, PPG 11+, 250 YPG, TD-INT 150+, 63%compl and multiple SB appearances.  Against these thresholds, the elite club includes:

      PManning and  Tom Brady.  Next closest group includes (Favre,Marino,Elway).  Brees %win is low.  Roethlisberger* is on par with these threshholds except short on victories (123) and PPG (10.4)

 If we apply 60% win pct & %compl, (TD-int) 100+, YPG 200+ and flex a bit, all mentioned are in xcept Elway (TD-INT, %compl )

 

asterisk denotes active 100+ games started min. and/or 1500 completions

Favre fell just shy of  11 PG (10.7), and 1.8 TG (1.79).  Favre is one of 2 QBs with 500+ TDs total  and 3000+ total points  and 70000+ total yds.  He surpassed 10000 career attempts in 2010. Do not count games after Dec 4 2010 for games  started (1 play)

Otto Graham has <1500 completions and > 100 games

PManning  essentially has tied with Bradshaw in win%, and held many records when he retired

Elway just shy of 2000 pts (1998) and 55000 total yds.  Just shy of 7500 attempts

Brady*, Favre shy of 250 TYG (247,245).  Cutler* at 252 but ineligible

Brees  has 1.75 TDs/game started and just passed Young for career TDS.  He is top 5 in rating  

Montana rounds to 2.0 TD/INT ratio, Garcia just shy (1.94)

Garrard needed ~ 94 completions for eligibility (as of end of 2011 season)

Tony Romo*  is at 1.97 TG and TD/INT 1.95

Philip Rivers* win% is 68.6.  He is at ~ 1.9 TG, 252YG, 2.4 TD/INT and 10.6 PPG, all solid.  NFL career rating ~ 97 (top 3). His rating is already on par with Cunningham

Garcia just shy of TD/INT=2 (1.94)

Brad Johnson, Jeff Garcia, Aikman, McNabb just shy of 62% pass completion (61.7,61.6,61.5)

Brady* see this separate page:  Tom Brady Indiv Stats

EManning has moved into the top 10 in rating

Rodgers* so far has solid #'s for TD/game, TD/INT, %completion and YDs/game.     win%>66.  He is top 5 in rating already

Rodgers is headed for the top 4 alltime for career rating;  He will reach >68% win pct if Packers go 16-5 thru the end of '12-13 season 

Roethlisberger*  has a very good win% (~70)

There are a few unusual stats for some "name" QBs:

 

Win pct<40%:  AManning, Snead, George, DeBerg  (0.26, 0.34,0.37, 0.38)

LESS than 50% completions: Blanda, Layne (Bradshaw<52%) 

LESS than 1 TD/game avg: Starr

INT > TDs career: Blanda, Layne, AManning, Namath, Starr, CMorton, Deberg, Van Brocklin, Jim Hart  (Bradshaw nearly!)

(as of 12/30/2010) Favre has won more games than most quarterbacks have played, completed more passes than most have attempted, and thrown more INTs than most QBs have TDs.  Specifically only 10 have more attempts than Favre completions , only 3 have TDs more than Favre INTs, and only 8 QBs have started more games than Favre has won...

list of most HOF QBs: Kelly,Marino,Elway,Aikman,Unitas,Tarkenton,Moon,Montana,Young,Fouts,Griese,Staubach,Bradshaw,Namath,(Favre)

Dawson,Starr,Tittle,Layne,Jurgensen,Blanda

several name QBs have no interest in the rushing aspect of their games.  This is evident from rush yds/Game as seen here (compare to Vick's 53+ ):

PManning 3.4    E Manning*  2.9     DBrees*  3.5     Fouts 2.8   Marino 0.4   Warner  2.5   Namath  1.07     Stabler  0.6    Hart 1.15

other QBs of interest: Krieg,Stabler,Brian Sipe,Bert Jones,Kenny Anderson,Danny White,Craig Morton, John Brodie, Archie Manning,Jim Hart

 

misc comments:

Aikman,Bradshaw,Brady,Montana got the rings; obviously Montana&Bradshaw had great supporting casts (Bradshaw threw interceptions as often as TDs)

sure locks for HOF include Favre,Manning,Brady,Cunningham

one questionable HOF pick is Joe Namath (who was selected over Tarkenton that year !?)

Montana was just the premier franchise QB, with great supporting cast and infectious, gritty attitude

Staubach is remarkable for his career interruption, with a 75% winning%

Young one of best ever "backup"QBs ever, his NFL&USFL stats great (as is Moon's NFL&CFL stats).  He had the NFL's highest rating for 6 of his seasons (Dawson had 5 and Staubach and Anderson 4 each)

Supreme passers include Marino, Manning, Kelly;  Manning should end up with most passing records (he is first in many places).  Active "passers" include Brees, Brady & Rodgers

Favre,Elway are go-for broke types, capable of lots of good, with some bad, with strong arms

Unitas,Tarkenton rare breed with great all around skills

under-rated include Garcia,McNabb,Krieg,Warner,Cunningham

Romo* legacy is hurt by lack of post-season play and injury

solid QBs NOT in HOF incl Kenny Anderson, Jim Hart, Brian Sipe, Bert Jones, Dave Krieg, Danny White

 

Continued next page here: NFL QB Statistics Part II

 

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